How to Come Out of a Cult and Find Jesus 

 

I met Emily Elizabeth Anderson in January of this year, when she told me she had appreciated my Untwisting Scriptures books and asked to interview me on her blog, Thriving Forward. (You can find that interview here.)

I knew she had come out of the Bill Gothard cult (Advanced Training Institute, ATI), I knew she was now free from it, and I knew she loved Jesus. (A rare combination, it seems, for young people who grew up Gothard.)

But it was when I heard her being interviewed in a Called to Peace Ministries Facebook Live that I heard that story. I asked her to share more with me about it, and she sent me her testimony.

The thing is, my friends. The thing is, I was sure that the people who leave cults and also leave Jesus don’t really know who He is. I figured they couldn’t have really found out who He is, clear through, as He’s presented in the gospels.

And Emily confirmed these suspicions.

In her interview with Called to Peace Ministries, she described that growing up Gothard she and her mom had read Psalms and Proverbs, and they had studied the Sermon on the Mount—or at least Gothard’s version of it—because that’s what his teachings were supposedly based on. 

But in all those years, when she and her mom and other ATI’ers were trying to be SO GODLY, she had never learned who Jesus really is!

This part of her testimony begins in 2015, at age 23.

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A few months into intense counseling, I began to realize that most of what I’d been taught by the cult leader [Gothard] had been lies. The shock and pain was overwhelming. Suddenly I had to question everything I knew. I didn’t know how to function anymore. I felt like I lost my identity.

I went through intense grief and suffered through panic attacks, sleepless nights, and emotional and physical breakdowns. 

My physician eventually diagnosed me with PTSD. I lost nearly everything that was precious to me. 

But what I didn’t know at the time, was that Jesus was holding on to me, and that my security in Him was based on His grip on me, not my grip on Him.

 One year into my journey, I joined my very first group Bible study and started working through the Gospel of John. I hadn’t read the Bible or gone to church in recent years as they had both become so triggering to me.

[And she had never read the gospels to learn who Jesus really is.]

But studying John was like a healing balm to my many wounds. I began to learn about a Jesus I’d never known before. One who is a good Shepherd who is kind, and patient, and oh so forgiving. 

Still, even as I was starting to learn about the true Gospel, the old Pharisee within me continued to try to fight to fit in all the legalistic rules.

 I came to a huge turning point one night in February 2017. I had been on my bedroom floor, sobbing and wrestling with God for hours, begging Him to tell me the truth about my legalistic rules. 

Desperation engulfed me, and I finally saw reality.

Instead of a stream of living water, my faith had become a barren wilderness, slowly choking out every bit of life within me. Instead of freedom, I lived in constant fear, and I was being suffocated by my perfectionism.

[Emily and I didn’t know each other in those days. But here she is describing exactly what I wrote about in that same year, 2017. That the families who followed a patriarchal cult-like leader were replacing the springs of living waters with choking cisterns.]

And so, finding myself lost in this wilderness, I cried out for help.

“I am lost, Jesus! I have wandered away from the flock and I cannot find my way back. I have tried to walk out of this cult for months now, but I can’t do it. I can no longer walk. I need you to CARRY me out, Jesus. Carry me back to your fold!”

It was a prayer of rock bottom. A desperate plea to my Shepherd. 

And I’m here today, as a free woman, to tell you—I didn’t walk out of that cult; Jesus carried me out!

With the burden of perfectionism lifted for the first time, I finally found the courage to start attending a new church. I had visited this specific church a few times before but was too terrified to continue to come as it didn’t line up with the extreme fundamentalist standards.

But oh my goodness – I never dreamed how God would use it! As I attended each week, I heard a Gospel of GRACE preached for the first time! I began to understand why the Gospel means Good News! The things I learned seemed too good to be true!

I learned that I have an incredible Father who LOVES me—unconditionally!! His love isn’t BASED off me, it’s PLACED ON me. There is nothing I can do to make my Father love me anymore or any less.

I learned I can come to my Father any time, with any pain. He is always there, offering comfort and security. He doesn’t get mad at me when I wrestle through my faith and ask questions. He is ever so patient to allow me rant and rave to Him and throw out my questions of uncertainty. But when I am broken down and finally admit that I am too weak to walk? My Father scoops me up and carries me.

 I learned that Jesus is Truth. I had no idea what the truth was after being lied to and deceived for so many years. But now I know. Jesus is truth. His Word is truth. I can trust Him. 

And, as I continue to seek Him and dive into His word, I can trust that the Holy Spirit will guide me to the true Gospel.

 For the first time I learned that I am no longer dirty rags in the eyes of my Father! Jesus removed the stain of my sin and clothed me in his robe of righteousness. When God sees me, He sees His Perfect Son Jesus and what He did and so my Father now declares me righteous!

 And I learned that I am enough. Not because of anything I do. Not for following a legalistic list of “do’s and don’ts”.

 i am enough solely because Jesus is enough!

THIS is freedom. THIS is the heart of the true Gospel! THIS is GOOD NEWS! And it’s amazingly beautiful.

 Jesus came so we may have life abundantly!

The cult leader [Gothard] was all about the abundant life, or at least his version of it, which was all about material success and achievement. But that’s not at all what the “abundant life” actually means. The abundant life is not about our comfort, or our health, or the things around us, or even the relationships in our lives.

Because if we believe that, then we are left constantly wondering what we’re doing wrong and why God is mad at us when the painful trials of this world come our way.

 Since leaving the cult, I’ve facing some of the darkest times I’ve ever experienced. I have lost so much.

But as I have wrestled through the pain of the loss, I can honestly tell you that I actually never felt more abundant! That is because our abundance is found is Jesus and Jesus alone!

All things truly do work together for good, for the more we lose in our life here on earth, the more we will reach out to Jesus in our desperation and in turn develop a richer relationship with Him. And THAT is what makes our lives exceedingly abundant! 

I’m still in the midst of many painful trials. But I am filled with more joy and peace and security than I’ve ever felt before. Only Jesus can do that.

And as far I my identity? I mentioned earlier that at the beginning of this journey I felt like I had lost my identity. 

But now, after discovering the true Gospel, I finally realize that I never lost it. My identity has been and will always be in Christ. I’m finally discovering it, and living it.

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For those who left a twisted Christianity and left Jesus too, thinking that Christianity is just a sham?

I continue to pray, as I have for years, that you will come to know who Jesus is, through His Scriptures, especially the gospels (at least at first). I pray that you will cry out to Him to rescue you from your place of darkness and confusion.

He wants to do that for you, to bring you into life more abundant, in Him.

 

A Prayer for Anna Duggar on Mother’s Day

This message to Anna Duggar is also included here as an audio message.

Dear Anna,

Happy Mother’s Day. Your children are beautiful.

I don’t “know” you as well as some people do, since I’ve never seen your family’s show. (Except for one time in 2013 in a hospital waiting room when a friend was dying.)

But I ache for you.

I want to send you a prayer and a blessing.

My dear sister.

My prayer for you

I pray that through any confusion, grief, and guilt, the light of Jesus Christ, who loves you, will shine clearly.

I pray that you will see clearly that your Savior Jesus is safe, kind, loving, and good. That He wants to be with you and carry your deepest pains.  I pray that you’ll find Him to be your safest Shelter in the storms of life. That you will know it’s not wrong to grieve, and He will grieve right along with you.

I pray you’ll know that in Jesus Christ, you are under no condemnation. I pray you’ll know that these burdens are not yours to carry. I pray that you will know deeply in your soul, that it is not your fault.

I pray you’ll be able to clearly hear the gentle voice of your Good Shepherd, who wants to lead you in the way of truth.

Dear Anna, though there are sleepless nights and haggard days, I pray that there will come a time when you’ll be able to more fully focus on knowing God as He really is, your loving heavenly Father who longs for you to come to Him gladly without any efforts of your hands, but only through the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. I pray that you’ll recognize Him as the only Mediator between you and God.

I pray that the eyes of your heart will be enlightened, that you may know what is the true hope to which He has called you, even when all else is stripped away.

I pray that you’ll know, when your heart fills with agonizing questions, that you can bring your questions and doubts to Jesus. He will never turn you away.  I pray you’ll know what it means to be hidden under the shadow of His wings.

I pray that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and of revelation so that you will know Him, in your experience, as He really is, and recognize the evil in the world around you, to protect yourself and your children from it.

I pray you’ll be able to see clearly the importance of keeping your children safe, no matter what others around you may say.

My blessing for you

Dear Anna, may you be blessed with the full awareness that Jesus, the Author and Finisher of your faith, is there, reaching out His nail-scarred hand to help you trust God, with no other mediator but Him, to help you follow Him in His good way. It may seem like an unfamiliar way at first, but He will be with you as you walk with Him.

May God bless you with the eyes of faith to see that as you listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit and follow Jesus Christ, no matter how broken your heart, no matter how weary your soul, that as Paul said in 2 Corinthians 4, your inward self, your spirit, will be renewed day by day in Christ Jesus.

May He bless you with the perspective to see that your suffering, as great as it is, stands in no comparison to the love He wants to pour out on you as you put your faith and trust in Him alone. May He bless you, even in the midst of the destruction that comes as the result of evil in the world, to see evidences of His faithfulness around you. 

May your heart be touched in the deepest place to an awareness of the strength of the Lord, your Rock and Salvation, who provides a shelter and a refuge for you. May you be filled with awareness that when you put your trust in Him rather than in works of “obedience,” you can never be shaken out of His care. 

May your soul fully know that our God has plans for you to set you free in the fullness of Christ in everything in every way. May your deep heart feel the truth that, as you trust Him for all of your sanctification, He will be actively working out His purposes that are beyond your comprehension.

May you be reminded of the truth that no mere human has heard, seen, or even imagined what wonderful things God has in the spirit realm for those who turn their hearts toward Him in receiving His love through Christ Jesus alone.

May He fill you with the confidence that though the earth be removed and the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea, even then, as you put your faith and trust in the true God, the Lord Jesus Christ, His right hand will uphold you.

As you continue to exchange works for faith in Him alone, even in the midst of spiritual battles that threaten to overwhelm you and evil entities who want to take advantage of you, may you be blessed with the sense in your innermost being of the unshakeable truth that through Jesus Christ you will be, as Romans 8 says, more than a conqueror, and nothing will be able to separate you from the love of God in Jesus Christ. 

Dear Anna, may God bless you, even with so many precious children that you need to protect, with time to get to know who Jesus really is, through the gospels.

I’m praying for you, and sending love.

Rebecca

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For those of my readers who don’t know who Anna Duggar is, she and her six precious children are pictured in this news article. I’d like to ask that any comments here be notes of encouragement and gentle words of wisdom to Anna, who I hope will eventually see and hear this message.

Those 365 “Fear Not” Verses in the Bible?

NOTE: I’ve written about fear a number of times. Some of the most pertinent are listed and linked down at the end of this article.

We don’t want to ignore the fear signals that tell us to get out of an unsafe situation, and I’ve addressed those in other articles. But the encouraging “fear not” verses in the Bible will help us to shed inappropriate fear.

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Have you heard, as I have, that there are 365 “fear not” verses in the Bible, one for every day of the year? (And that this is supposed to help you remember to not be afraid.)

Well, that sounded a little suspect to me, so I decided to check it out. Turns out even websites like this one that claimed they were giving you all “365” fear not verses actually listed fewer than 150.

Maybe they thought no one would ever count?

So, my friends, there isn’t a “fear not” verse for every day of the year. Sorry to burst your bubble.

However, even as it is, the list includes some inconvenient ones.

The inconvenient “fear not” verses

How about Judges 4:18? That one was in the list.

That’s the verse in which the Israelite woman Jael went out to meet King Sisera and said to him, “Come, my lord, come right in. Don’t be afraid.” So he entered her tent and she covered him with a blanket.

And we all know what happened next, right? (If you don’t, you can read it in Judges 4. I won’t ruin the punchline for you.)

That’s not exactly a “fear not” verse I’d want to hang on my wall.

Or I Samuel 28:13 – The king said to her, ‘Don’t be afraid. What do you see?’

Do you want to guess (from the reference) who was talking there, and to whom? I’ll give you a minute.

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That was King Saul telling the witch of Endor not to be afraid when the ghost of Samuel arose at her conjuring.

Nope, that one isn’t too encouraging either.

There are a few more like that, but you can have the fun of finding them yourself, if you feel so inclined.

Besides those kind of creepy fear not verses, what I found when I studied all the “fear not” verses in the Bible was encouraging . . . in a couple of ways.

For one thing, I’ve thought a lot about the people who feel guilty for their fear, and how the weight of “fear not” hangs over them when they continue having panic attacks or nameless anxieties. I think looking closely at the fear not Scriptures really can help relieve that guilt instead of simply increasing it.

Also, when you look closely at the “fear not” Scriptures, you’ll see that when our Lord speaks to people who are afraid, He doesn’t treat their fear like a sin. He treats it more like an injury. “Here, let me make this better.”

For another thing, many of the “fear not” Scriptures, viewed in context can give us insight into the heart of God for His people.

And that’s encouraging.

So, when I do a word or subject study, I organize all the verses into categories that makes sense to me. When I studied all the “fear not” (or “do not be afraid”) verses in the Bible, I organized them according to who the speaker was and who he or she was speaking to.

“Fear not” Directly from God to a Person or Group

I saw that many of them were to a specific person or group of people, like when He spoke through Moses to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 1:21:

See, the Lord your God has given you the land. Go up and take possession of it as the Lord, the God of your ancestors, told you. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.

Now, that’s beautiful and inspiring, and we can learn about God by the way He led the people of Israel.

BUT.

This isn’t directed to everyone.

I’ve written before about the importance of focusing on WHO a Bible message is directed to. When it’s clearly directed to one person, does it apply directly to us? Maybe and maybe not. Can we learn from it? Yes, always.

MANY of the ‘fear not” verses are spoken from God directly to a person. To Abram in Genesis 15:1, to Moses in Numbers 21:34, to Joshua in Joshua 8:1, to King Ahaz in Isaiah 7:4. If you study all of these “fear not” verses, you’ll learn a lot about how God works in specific situations. And it can be heartening and encouraging. But it’s not appropriate Biblical exegesis to assume that God’s specific words to a person or group are written directly to you.

One day the specific situation might be yours, and you might receive a specific “fear not” from the Lord about it. But until then, we’ll continue to be encouraged by these examples.

“Fear nots” from David in the Psalms

  • Psalm 3:6 – I will not fear though tens of thousands assail me on every side.
  • Psalm 23:4 Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff they comfort me.
  • Psalm 27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation – whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life – of whom shall I be afraid?
  • Psalm 27:3 – Though an army besiege me, my heart will not fear; though war break out against me, even then I will be confident.
  • Psalm 46:2 – Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea.
  • Psalm 56:11 – in God I trust and not afraid. What can man do to me?
  • Psalm 91:5 – You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day,
  • Psalm 118:6 – The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?

These are beautiful—and very personal—prayers from David to the loving Heavenly Father.

David actually had a relationship with Him.

As you read and study these Scriptures, you can thank God for David’s example, and you can ask Him to grow you into this kind of fearlessness.

AND you can also notice that sometimes David actually was afraid and overwhelmed. Many of his psalms, though they end with trust, start with fear, complaining, and overwhelm.  But in those feelings, he turned to God.

So here’s an important way to pray.

We want to express to the Lord our desire to be appropriately unafraid. Desire in the Christian life is so important! When you desire to have a changed heart, God is willing to work.

We want to ask the Lord “What’s in the way of my living without fear?” That is a huge one. If you’re living with fear, it could be because you’re in a very unsafe situation and the fear is a signal for you to get out of it. Instead of simply berating yourself for being fearful, you can be gentle with yourself and learn to listen to the Spirit and become educated about what kinds of situations are unsafe and how to safely deal with them.

And you can trust the Lord that as you progress in your life as a child of God, you will learn more and more to live without fear.

“Fear not” from Jesus to His Disciples

Since believers of today are also Jesus’ disciples, then that makes these verses seem more like they apply directly to us. Like these:

  • Matthew 10:19, 26, 28, 31 – But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say. . . . ‘So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.’ . . . Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. . . . So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
  • Luke 12:4, 7, 32 – ‘I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more.’ . . . Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.. . ‘Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.’
  • John 14:27 – Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

Yes, I’d agree that these Scriptures apply to us. Our Lord Jesus wants to make us fearless and full of peace, even in the face of the enemy.

But notice something.

When Jesus said these things to His disciples, they were still a very fearful group of men. These are the same men who all scattered in fear when He was arrested.

It wasn’t until much later, in the book of Acts, when these same men became fearless. By that time, through the power of the Holy Spirit, God had changed them.

You can also express your desire to the Lord. Your desire: “I want to be fearless too. Will you be in the process of changing me the way you changed the disciples?”

You don’t have to feel guilty that you’re not fearless now.

You don’t have to figure you’re a spiritual failure because “I’m never going to measure up.”

Just express your desire to the Lord, to be changed, and then trust Him that as you follow Him, He will change you.

And get out of unsafe situations if there is any way to do so. After all, the disciples did that too.

 “Fear not” in the Epistles

I’ll be addressing several of these in separate blog posts, but there are a couple to talk about here.

  • I Peter 3:14 – But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. ‘Do not fear their threats; do not be frightened.’

Again, this one is about persecution. Peter was clearly harking back to what the Lord Jesus Himself had said to the disciples in person. How much easier this instruction was to follow now that He was filled with the Spirit and had been living for Jesus for many years!

  • Hebrews 13:6 – So we say with confidence, ‘The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can mere mortals do to me?’

Of course, many of us might think, “Um, man can do a LOT to me. Some things a lot worse than death, even.”

But the context of this one is material possessions. The whole thought is this:

“Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, ‘I will never leave you nor forsake you.’ So we can confidently say, ‘The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?’”

This took me back to Hebrews 10:32-36.

But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised.

When it comes to material possessions, the worst they can do is take all of our material goods. They cannot take the Lord from us, or our eternal possessions. We can suffer in this life, but they cannot take our eternal life.

As we grow and mature in the Lord, we can begin to see this more and more clearly.

And during those earlier and more fearful days? One of my favorites, which I’ve referenced several times at Here’s the Joy.

From Jesus, our Good Shepherd, in Luke 12:32.

Fear not little flock, for it is the Father’s good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.

A closing thought

There’s one more verse I want to point out.

It reminds me of how Romans chapter 4 emphasizes the FAITH of Abraham. Hebrews 11:8-19 emphasize the FAITH of Abraham. Even though, when you read Abraham’s story in Genesis, you might think he was weak and waffling in his faith.

The verse is Psalm 78:53, which is right in the middle of telling the story of the Israelites’ Exodus from Egypt.

Psa 78:52-53 “Then he led out his people like sheep and guided them in the wilderness like a flock. He led them in safety, so that they were not afraid, but the sea overwhelmed their enemies.”

Really, Lord? They weren’t afraid?

Here’s what hopeful about this. We actually know good and well that the Israelites were afraid when they first left Egypt. Exodus 14:11-12 makes this really clear.

But then they saw what God did. He had promised to deliver them, and He kept His promise.

He delivered them.

When they saw God’s work, His promise-keeping deliverance for them, they were no longer afraid. In fact, they rejoiced in song for the first 21 verses of the next chapter.

If you are afraid now, for whatever reason, take heart.

Keep looking to Jesus, and following Him. As you express your desire to Him to let go of inappropriate fear, as you ask Him to uncover your inappropriate fears and give you truth and boldness, He’ll do that for you.

He will lead you step by step in the way that will shed your fear, bit by bit or all at once.

He will fill you with strength and song.

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A few of my other blog posts that ponder fear.

Is Your Fear Sinful . . . Or Actually Pleasing to God?

Casting Out Fear by Whistling a Happy Tune

A couple of years ago I wrote a series about “fear” (part one, part two, part three). But I knew there was much more for me to learn, and for me to share with others.

Not to mention that I want my next Untwisting Scriptures book to be (tentatively) subtitled Shut Your Mouth and Stuff Your Emotions.

Yesterday, a beautiful Sunday afternoon, I sat outside with my Bible and pondered “perfect love casts out fear” in 1 John (which I plan to blog about eventually). As I did, I thought about the typical ways believers are told to “cast out fear” and get on the right track with their “perfect love.”

All too often church leaders and other church people tell us that it’s by “choosing to do right,” our actions, our behavior, our internal decisions. Gritting our teeth and forcing ourselves. Will power. There may be some mention of the Holy Spirit, but it is often passing and incidental.

A friend’s question for me

So then I remembered that twelve years ago a friend I was mentoring, “Melissa,” presented me with a related question. First she quoted a song from the old musical “The King and I.” Continue reading “Casting Out Fear by Whistling a Happy Tune”

Does He Look Like He Loves You? (Guest Post by “Mara”)

Many Christians of my fundamentalist and evangelical background are wary of the concept of “religious experience,” at least partly because it has been abused in some circles. After all, “experience” without knowledge can open one to error and evil.

But if we as Jesus followers have only an intellectual knowledge of the Lord with no sense of His presence, then we face the danger of having a hollow faith. Our day-to-day Christianity can be devoid of the life He has promised (as in, for example, Ephesians 3:19-20). Continue reading “Does He Look Like He Loves You? (Guest Post by “Mara”)”

6 Ways “The Gospel” Is so Much More than You’re Usually Told

OR “Why the Resurrection is Essential to Your Salvation” (in honor of Holy Week)

Much of my writing is presented to refute false teaching in the fundamentalist and evangelical Christian world. But I always want to point my readers to what is true, right, and good.

This Holy Week—the week that Christians especially honor the Lord Jesus Christ for all He has done for us, the week that culminates with a celebration of His Resurrection for us—I want to zero in on The Gospel.

Through the years that I’ve been in this evangelical world, I’ve pondered how much the term “gospel” is presented as vital, while at the same time how seldom those who use the term “gospel” have actually defined and described what they mean by it.

But understanding what “the gospel” is can mean the difference between death and life. Continue reading “6 Ways “The Gospel” Is so Much More than You’re Usually Told”

Is Empathy Still a Sin? The Joe Rigney / Hannah Anderson Conversation

Last week Alistair Roberts hosted Joe Rigney, the new president of Bethlehem College & Seminary and author of multiple books, alongside Hannah Anderson, author of multiple books.

They disagreed about empathy, and did so amicably. That part was refreshing.

But I confess, some parts of the conversation were befuddling to me.

Yes, empathy is definitely still a sin, according to Joe Rigney

Empathy is always sinful, according to Joe Rigney, because (1) it sets aside all judgment of rightness and wrongness (as Brené Brown recommends), and (2) the empathetic person gets down in the quicksand with the sufferer instead of staying safely on the shore and casting out a rope. Continue reading “Is Empathy Still a Sin? The Joe Rigney / Hannah Anderson Conversation”

The Amazing Grace Cycle (Guest Post by Deborah Brunt)

Deborah Brunt is a friend who served in the Southern Baptist Convention for many years, as an author, teacher, and women’s leader. Long before others were doing so, she bravely stood against the abuses of power and belittling of women that she saw and experienced in her various capacities there.

A couple of years ago Deborah wrote her account of being ousted from her life-long denomination for refusing to simply go along with the program, continuing to question and challenge. She described how she was shamed, blamed, ignored, shunned, and thrust to the side. In today’s terminology, we would say she was “cancelled,” or at least that’s what they tried to do. Continue reading “The Amazing Grace Cycle (Guest Post by Deborah Brunt)”

Here’s the Link to that Zoom Interview with Me about Patriarchy

Last week Emily Elizabeth Anderson of Thriving Forward interviewed me in light of the recent publication of my second Untwisting Scriptures book, which addresses patriarchy and authority.

Emily is one of the “Jane Does” who brought the lawsuit against Bill Gothard and later went public about it.

Our two perspectives together may have been especially helpful for some, because we interacted as two generations, since I am of the generation of Emily’s parents. Continue reading “Here’s the Link to that Zoom Interview with Me about Patriarchy”